Duathlon Training plans

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#22

The problem with the triathlon plan approach is that it assumes a target of a multisport event (duathlon, tri, etc.) which is not the same as improving simultaneously in cycling (like a 100m Gravel Ride) and running (marathon). This isn’t bad, but isn’t ideal, either.

In my case, I’m in my late 40s and my primary interest is in trail and mountain ultra running, but I love gravel riding and don’t want to give that up. Training indoors on the bike doubles as low impact cross-training for my running goals. Keeps me feeling relatively fresh for a run workout the day after, which consecutive running days does not.

I’d also love to see some articles, resources, etc. On making gains in running and cycling, but not necessarily in a multi sport context.


#23

If running is you primary focus and cycling is secondary then do a running training plan and low impact endurance rides on the bike, like you said. Some of the base plans would probably work quite well for this depending on how much time over and above your running you have.

I can’t remember the podcast but chad touched on this as a high level of fitness in one discipline will naturally help in the other as both rely on your aerobic system.


#24

Ballparking the Mosley plan I’m following, he basically uses 60/40 bike/run time duration split all the way through the 40 week’r I’m just starting. I’m on the advanced 10/40/5 plan.

I’ve heard of the of the 5:1 bike/run ratio as well but frankly it seems unrealistic if you think about it. You’re going to want to run at least 2 hours a week even for a sprint du, so that would put you at a MINIMUM 12 hours per week following that ratio. That’s a lot of training for a sprint…

I think this How much training volume does it take to maintain ~3w/kg? is good or the spirnt/olympic plans on TR. I would probably throw in a long ride though as suggested in the post at least every other week. Then add in a long run (at least 30-50% longer of your target distance assuming your not doing anything longer than a standard du), an interval session, and a tempo session a week and you’d be good. Find a reassessment you like and do it every 6 weeks or so along with the ramp test.

Just adjust the TSS ramp and periodization to suit your event. Also throw in a brick at least every other week. I’d say over half the weeks on this plan have at least 1 brick workout a week (but they’re generally short 10-20 mins).

For me, the calculators on Mosley’s website to use as zones in TP are a little optimistic for me on the run (based on threshold run pace from a race). I don’t have the run fitness either vs bike. My Zone 2 run pace is predominantly Zone 4 HR. I think I’m going to prioritize HR over pace on the long runs, and pace over HR on any other session. Power > all generally on the bike unless again your Zone 2 is way off consistently.


#25

60/40 sounds like it would be more realistic for sure. I think I’m going to try and aim for 6-7 workouts a week. 1 hard bike session and 2 longer z1/2 efforts. 2 hard (but short) run sessions and a long run and the extra will be a short easy run.

I’m 35 with 3wkg right now that I’d love to see inch closer to 4 (I’m only 75kg) but I also want to run a 1:30 half marathon. (1:40 right now).

Too ambitious? I hope not.


#26

That doesn’t sound too ambitious. I am 75kg and aiming for 4w/kg this season in order to break the hour on a 40k TT. Currently 3.51w/kg following 6 weeks of Olympic Duathlon base high volume.

Good luck and let me know how you get on.


#27

I’m in the same boat. I’ve been looking at duathlon and tri plans just because it seems like that’s all that’s available, but I actually plan on doing a marathon this spring, a 10 or 15 mile trail/mountain race in the summer and maybe a half or two in between, but I also have several MTB XC races, gravel races, a cool race called Best of Both which is 60 miles road followed by 23 MTB, and (later) cyclocross races planned for the coming year.

It’d be nice to have some sort of plan available that caters to running and cycling that’s not intended to be done back-to-back.

At this point, I’m thinking I’ll just do low or mid volume TR plans (3-4 rides/week) and incorporate Zwift’s half marathon plan (3 runs/week). Zwift is especially appealing to me since I have a Stryd footpod and running on Zwift is still free :wink:

I’d be interested in hearing other ideas though if anyone’s got 'em!


#28

I followed a Hal Higdon 5k plan when I was in a run speed building phase. Crushed my goal of sub 20min 5k but I had to stop biking (even easy efforts) because I was getting too beat up. This caused my bike fitness to plummet. So I focused on bike for a bit but lost some run fitness. Sigh