Experiment Fasted Training

fasted-training

#21

When I began reading this… I had to smile…

As a Low Carb Athlete who also tends to go No Carb a lot… and as I eat Fat and Protein only then… Heard about Keto?

Anyway… enough propaganda…

I Fast a lot more than most people… be it 16/8 or OMD… or even 2 days…

Fasted workouts are utter joy for me… I’m completely focused on how I’m feeling and the effort I’m putting out…

More importantly, it tells me how to feed myself Before and Not After…

I always Fast After a Workout… and here is why… you now have HGH and Testosterone running around in you… as long as you had Protein in your meal before the Work Out… you will have that in the blood stream now… and HGH and Testosterone can do their magic.

So Fasting Before or After a Workout… try them both ways… see what works for you!


#22

You are not getting enough Electrolytes in your diet… you may need to supplement…

I Highly suggest Ultima Electrolytes

No Sugar - No Carbs

I have the Grape flavor and use it whenever my Diet is lacking!


#23

Cheers @MI-XC - its definitely a positive direction and feel so much better having shifted the excess.


#24

Thanks! I have noticed that a Gatorade will make the headaches go away pretty fast, thought maybe it was a sugar thing. What’s an easy way to consume more electrolytes, more salt on stuff?


#25

I use SIS electrolyte tabs. About $5 for 20 servings from chain reaction. Salt works but has other stuff in it that’s not needed.


#26

I like Hammer Fizz, basically no carbohydrates/calories and gives water flavor. Grape is my favorite.

https://www.hammernutrition.com/products/endurolytes-fizz/


#27

Ultima is awesome… tastes like grape juice!

Sugar is the enemy to me!


#28

SO I am back on the program. I hit 208 lbs today.

I rode outside on the fatbike Jan 1 for 1:43. burnt 679 calories. Did not take weight. Ate normal.

Jan 2 Carter 45 min burned 531 calories no weight. 1 miso soup and 1 electrolyte tab for 35 calories in.
Jan 3 Mountfield 1 hr 767 calories and 208 lbs. will have 3 miso soups and 1 electrolyte tab for 95 calories in as I am easing into the full fast.

Feeling good so far. Just picked up my new 2018 Specialized Roubaix elite carbon last night. But I wont touch it till I hit my weight goal. That’s motivation lol.


#29

What’s the weight goal?


#30

Yea, all the time - today being point in case.


#31

Personally, I feel like you went through a whole lot of trouble just to basically end up at the same weight you started at all the way back when you started this thread. Where is your power at?


#32

I am a bit lost as well here.

In fact I don’t understand a point of fasting to start with.
We are a product of millions of years of evolution, and nowhere in our history does it say that depleting our bodies from essential nutrients, makes us better at anything at all.


#33

Yes I did end up at the same weight. Life through me some curve balls and I did not handle them well. I learned from it and hopefully wont make the same mistakes again. Also I don’t have to worry about the holidays.

Also not eating is not trouble. Its actually easier. My body certainly handles it better and so does my mind.

The point is that it worked well and I felt great. It was very effective at losing the weight. I had no headaches or anything else and in fact my body felt great.

As for my power it certainly feels higher. But I just found out my tacx vortex kind of guesses at the power. Following the instructions in the TR app for the first time the trainer got to 345 watts in the small front ring and middle rear. With that gearing the wheel did not have enough momentum to keep up. Something about a problem with the power floor. The Tacx needs a much higher speed to keep that wattage. Also the tire is quite polished so Ive got a tire on order and I will use the gearing that I have always used for the next ftp test. But the workouts I did at the end of ssb 2 certainly seemed easier at the end.

As for weight goal before I can touch the Roubaix… Its 30 lbs.


#34

Blockquote SomeCallMeTim

3h

I am at Lissa’s well here.

In fact I don’t understand a point of fasting to start with.
We are a product of millions of years of evolution, and nowhere in our history does it say that depleting our bodies from essential nutrients, makes us better at anything at all.

Blockquote

Actually Tim throughout our history and our evolution we have always had feast or famine. Thats why our bodies have adapted to store fat. But then Ill stop as there are thousands of books on evolution and everything else. As well over 2 Billion people on the planet fast as part of their lifestyle.

Its also well proven that fasting does not deplete us. That’s why we store fat. For the next famine. Also our body is so advanced that when we are facing famine our body converts fat to Ketones for our brain to use as it cannot use stored fat. Ketones are a much better source of fuel for our brain than anything else.

The longest recorded modern fast is around 320 days. This fast took place in a hospital under medical supervision. The patient had water and a daily multivitamin and thats it. He went from somewhere around 520 lbs to 176 lbs and stabilized at 195 lbs. He suffered no negative consequences from this fast.

Maybe you could explain the real reason our bodies store fat instead of maybe just excreting it?

I would suggest you read some material and get updated. For start read Dr. Jason Fungs books “The Obesity code” and “The Complete guide to Fasting”! You might be surprised that our knowledge on these topics have improved quite a bit since the 1920’s. :scream:

I’m going to apologize for the above rant. Its not great to come out and deal with my failure out in the open. The bottom line is the fast worked. I felt great. And then I screwed up and tossed out all the work. At least I’m here man enough to be open and honest about it and not bullshitting everyone.

For years Ive tried calorie reduction and everything else. Its never worked for me. This has worked far better than anything else. And its not the first time. Ive done three 6.5day fasts that were successful. This was the first time Ive gone over 7 days and this was 13. Big problem was I did not prep coming off the fast properly and I went right into the holiday season with 3 different Christmas dinners with family. Shit happens.

Oh and I got to hungry tonight so I had 2 hamburger patties plain. About 500 Calories. I just finished riding recess 1 hour 524 Calories. Ill call it a win.

I aim to do better tomorrow!


#35

My post wasn’t to disrespect your experiment. Quite the opposite in fact. My apologies if it did come out that way (I am known to be quite blunt in delivery).

I agree with all of the points that you made. We are naturally fat adapted. As far as famine concerned, keep in mind that during famine people did tend to die. Those who would survive were not athletes, doing strenuous exercises on daily basis. Same goes to those, who were under medical supervision.

Again, I am not trying to discourage you from the experiment. It is simply worth keeping in mind what it is that we are trying to do here. :slight_smile:

Tim.


#36

@SomeCallMeTim and all
:slight_smile:

But…there is a huge difference between people dying in famine and intermittent fasting.

In relation to what we are doing here - first hand reports on eating regimes, nutrition and the training etc, even if they are n=1 are what makes these forums such a great place.

:slight_smile:

Be it a success or failure, it is extremely brave for anyone to share there own experiments to the benefit of others in the forums. The collective information should be valued and appreciated; they may not be water tight scientific studies, but thanks has to go out for the sheer dedication, time and effort that has gone into collecting, collating and sharing. We may all not have ‘exactly’ the same goals - but every extra dab of informative paint on the training canvas, creates a more detailed picture for all.

I’m not here to preach about a new personal discovery (intermittent fasting) there are enough evangelists and current studies on the subject to show how it works, the physiology involved, the varying regimes etc. I’m only in this thread to share the experience and discuss, hopefully for the benefit of others.

Having personally struggled with weight control/work life balance etc over the last 30 years, it is great (for the first time) to find something that is in essence so simple to do and an alternative to calorie or food group restriction - that might also just fit a little better into the structured training on TR while (possibly) be less detrimental to the training effect.

I look forward to further reports from others on the subject and wish you well with your health and training.


#37

Doesn’t research also show that those who fast gain more weight after they stop fasting? I’m sure I’ve read this somewhere. The body responds to a fasted state by ensuring it has more fat for the next time it encounters “famine”. If you want to keep the pounds off then I still think a well balanced diet is the best method.


#38

No and Yes :slight_smile:

The body simply replenishes it energy stores
i.e. glycogen stores and then fat.
And it does the reverse when utilising it.

It doesn’t turn on a special switch after fasting to say - I’m going to change the way I do this from now on.

I’ve also read ‘somewhere’ the same text - but I can only see this in context of metabolic rate. i.e. Once the body has been starved excessively (beyond most intermittent fasting regimes) the metabolic rate slows and using up stores next time becomes a slower process.

Indeed, if switching on fat storage happened every time someone fasted they would see more being stored until the loss stopped altogether - which just doesn’t seem to be the case.

Fat loss with IF (or any restriction or diet) only appears to slow as body fat percentage falls to low levels. Quite understandable if there is much less of a particular fuel to metabolise.

And Yes, to the well balanced diet - and that a well balanced diet should include a well timed consumption. IF may provide a way to make that well balanced diet even more effective.

It does seem to change the way the body uses fuel and repairs itself and (n=1) I can see and feel the fat disappearing from under my skin as the weeks progress in a way I haven’t before, without having to weigh and count every last calorie.

All in all - each to their own.


#39

i think you better do some research…
e.g. https://casereports.bmj.com/content/2018/bcr-2017-221854

and you can find much more


#40

I find intermittent fasting interesting and have been observing it for 15+ years back when I was crushing WODs and eating Paleo in my CrossFit days.:roll_eyes: My friends experimented with fasting and all seemed to enjoy it while in the process, but none of them stuck with it and it appeared to be a bit of a temporary fad. Or maybe it was a means to an end and they reverted back to traditional eating habits after reaching their goals. :man_shrugging:

I’ve never tried intermittent fasting and have always been of the opinion that I don’t want to survive, I want to thrive. To thrive as a competitive athlete I need to fuel my body timely, fully and without restrictions. I will likely never be without food in life or on the bike. I also have no weight issues or struggle eating in competition.

So, fasting doesn’t make sense for me (even though I’m aware off all the science), but we are not all created equal. I enjoy and wish the best of luck to those who experiment what works best for them.