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When it goes to TT bikes looks donāt matter :).
OMG! Mono post! Disc brakes! What is that under the handlebars? Tons of storage! Crazy fork! Seat stays, MY GAWD!
This bike will make @Jonathan 's eyes bleed!!!
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I am a massive specialized fan boy but this is killing me. Disc brakes = fine but the rest of it is horrible.
@Jonathan I agree. Itās so unfortunate that I can no longer unsee this.
Wait until it comes in 20 watts faster than the next best bike, then it wonāt look so bad 
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Glad pics donāt get taken down like on ST!
Only thing Iāve noticed while racing with the new Venge bars are the huge bruises iām Copping just up from my wrists after going for an all out sprint. I donāt notice in the heat of the moment , but I must be hitting the bars in the sprint. Guess it was as worth it for win though 
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Oh man I almost wish I didnāt find this threadā¦ Iām super close to pulling the trigger on a 2019 Tarmac Expert but Iāve heard so much on the TR podcast about the future of aero bikes and how the new Venge is a game changer and it has gotten me to thinkingā¦ Those of you who currently have one how does feel on longer rides? Say 50-100 miles? Are you more/less fatigued ergonomically?
Iād also be interested to hear ANYONEāS thoughts on why the Tarmac is more money. Per the Spesh website the Tarmac Expert disc is $4750 and the Venge Expert disc is $4500. 10r carbon on Tarmac and 11r carbon on Venge. Better Ultegra braking on Tarmac (8070) as opposed to Venge (8020)?? Wheels?
BTW - I am sure I am not alone in saying this but I absolutely love these forums. The layout and UI is top notch. Rapidly becoming my most frequented websiteā¦
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The 2019 Venge doesnāt come in Expert form yet. Cheapest model of the new frame is the Pro which is 8k.
My current dilemma is between the 2019 Tarmac Pro ($6700) and 2019 Venge Pro ($8000), so Iām struggling with this as well.
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I didnāt even notice this! //facepalm Youāre absolutely correct.
In that case what way are you leaning right now? 8k is a lot of money after all. 
I thought the new Venge was going to be electronic shifting only. Are they even going to go below āProā?
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Iām currently leaning towards the Tarmac, because I also want to get the Tacx smart bike this winter as well, and that extra $1300+california tax goes about a third of the way towards that purchase.
@ErickVH correct I think its electronic shifting only which probably means only a Pro level. Maybe they will have a $6500 version that has the cheaper CL34 wheel set while keeping the Ultegra Di2 but I wouldnāt hold my breath.
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Took the new Venge out yesterday and ran it through a few scenarios. I donāt have the matching handlebar yet (still backordered), so I have some Zipp Sprint SL bars on there that I blacked out with satin black vinyl. One should not tolerate unsightly white logos on this bike!
Hereās how it compares:
Venge vs. SL6: I have very little time on the Tarmac, but it felt more lively than the Venge. The Tarmac has a snappier response to rider input when rolling in our out of cambered turns. The Venge feels less playful, but stiffer and more efficient. The Venge is the stiffest bike I have ridden in terms of power transfer. It redefines āzero lossā when talking about power delivery.
Venge vs. Supersix: I rode the previous generation SuperSix and the Venge rides very differently IMO. The SuperSix felt extremely light and springy, and at times it felt a little unruly when dealing with bumps or cracks while under load in a turn. It also felt REALLY light and snappy though. The Venge doesnāt feel heavy, but it does feel much more stable. The Venge is more confidence inspiring.
I really see no reason to position the Tarmac ahead of the Venge, other than availability and price. It handles just like a top end ānormalā road bike, but it is incredibly efficient when under load, very composed, and shockingly quiet when riding. I know that sounds weird, but this thing really does do a good job of not disrupting air, and you can hear the difference compared to a normal bike.
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He got a 54.
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Just left the Leviās GranFondo. Iām sticking to my plan. Lots of new S works. Lots of older S works. Plenty of Holland and Moots. I guess s-works et al seem to be focused on downhill bikes. Cause, not many of the bike owners were fast uphill nor the flats.
The upper end bike owners seem to be those attempting marginal gains with marginal fitness.
Not saying Jonathan or the Trainerroad crew fit in that category. However, the men in my age group (45+) appear to be attempting to buy their way into the fast group.
Iāll keep my old bike, my Trainerroad account my money and still out ride the expensive bike owners. #trainerroad-software trumps all. #getoffmylawn
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are those the 50s rather than the 64s?
(edit: they are the 50s since Iām dumb and clicked on the pic to zoom)
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We just bought frames. Our final wheels will be Enve 5.6s.
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Nice, I love my ENVE 5.6 Disc wheels. If I rode in the mountains a bit more, would like to have a 3.4 front wheel for descending on windy days but I converted my original Bontrager box front wheel to tubeless for my plan B. Iām sure others with better bike handling skills (Ebbetts Pass Descent to Silver Creek Campground | Strava Ride Segment in Markleeville, CA) can handle fast descents on mid-aero in a strong crosswind
I was at Mikes Bikes this weekend and got to stand over a Venge Pro in size 54, a little too small for me but wow it was absolutely gorgeous.
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