Whoop or Oura, what's everyone using?

I have been going back and forth on each of these products sites and then thought id just ask here what people seem to be using and what they think.

Asking fellow Tr users what one they use and why they like it. Maybe this will bring a point together I had not thought of for using one over another.

Thanks for any help :slight_smile:

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Much cheaper than a Fenix 5 (or 6), I have a Polar Vantage V watch (originally purchased to provide running power from the wrist). I use their companion heart rate chest strap for the orthostatic test upon waking most mornings, which I have found to be excellent. Plus I like Polar’s Flow app.

They do have a detailed sleep analysis thing using the watch only (optical heart rate), but that’s a bit more questionable with respect to its precision in measuring the HRV.

That’s my totally unscientific, anecdotal evidence. :wink:

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I have the Oura ring. Overall I’m reasonably happy with it, however it does have some limitations:

  • As far as I can tell, it does nothing during the day. It doesn’t track HR during the day, and doesn’t do any activity tracking during the day as far as I can tell.
  • They want you to enter your activity manually so they can track it, but I haven’t bothered. This leads to weird ‘activity balance’ warnings. It still tries to analyze my activity, but it has no activity data so this causes some confusing messages. I’d like to see an option where they take activity out of it completely, and just report recovery/readiness information based on what the device can measure. I’d happily take shorter battery life to have it measure useful stuff during the day.

As far as sleep, HR, and HRV tracking go it seems to do a good job. I think its sleep tracking correlates better with how I think I have slept than my fitbit, although I haven’t done any close comparisons. The resting HR and HRV are highly correlated as I expect, but it’s hard to know how accurate these really are.

My main goal of using this is to get HR/HRV data that I can use directly, and it gives me that. Their ‘readiness’ score seems mostly based on how you slept the prior night, and only slightly influenced by the HR/HRV, so I don’t put much stock in that, other than looking more closely at my numbers on those days.
I went with the Oura (on sale for Mother’s day :slight_smile: as it was much cheaper than the Whoop. I can’t get behind a $30/month subscription for this. My ring was $335 out the door, so cost was a big factor for me. From reading the details on Whoop it seems like even though it is a subscription, it is still structured as a HW purchase, so if it breaks you could have to ‘buy’ another one. Also no clear information on what access to the new hardware my subscription gave me. If I’m paying a subscription for HW, that needs to include guaranteed working, up-to-date hardware. The hardware is interesting, but their business model is not.

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To be honest the one thing keeping me from whop a little bit is the subsrictpion
Just what I need another subscription lol
I like that whoop seems to give insight into lot more data but the one thing I want more then anything else is sleep info
Which it sounds is a big reason to go wit the ring

I went with the Whoop. I’ve had it about a month so far and I’m surprisingly happy with it. I went in pretty skeptical because I already had a new Apple Watch and was using the AutoSleep app. I’m not a good sleeper and my #1 goal was to improve there.

I REALLY like that the Whoop analyzes my daily strain and then recommends a daily sleep goal. It understands that if I go hard that day I need more sleep and if I had a very low stress day, I can get by with less. This has helped my change the way I think about my sleep. I’m not constantly stressed over how far behind I am and how I need to “refill the bank”. If I had a low stress day, it’s ok that I slept a little less. If I had a high stress day, I should go to bed a little earlier or maybe skip the sunrise group ride and do something solo after a few more hours rest.

It’s only been a month, but so far, I find that following its Strain and Sleep recommendations is working for me.

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I’m confused about a daily sleep goal. I go to bed between 10 and 10.30 and go to sleep. I may sleep 5 6 or 7 hours but don’t seem to have any control over how long I sleep. Mostly I wake up early sometimes (not often) late. Am I missing something? If I go to bed earlier I wake up earlier.

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You absolutely have control over how much you sleep. There are lots of books and techniques you can research if you don’t want to talk to a doctor. Sleep is the number one key to recovery.

I have not read it yet, but I’ve heard Nate recommend the book, “Why We Sleep”. Search this forum for more posts and podcasts on sleep. Sweet dreams!

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Just like @Pbase I went with the Whoop. I’ve had it a since August now and I’ve noticed recently that as I’ve built up a backlog of data on myself, the Recovery score much more closely aligns to how I feel getting out of bed. The first month it was kind of give or take but then I crossed this threshold where I could get out of bed and have a reasonable expectation of what my Whoop was going to say when my recovery had processed.

Most importantly for me, I can see what things cause my recovery to be lower the next day. Have a cocktail too late? Recovery is going to take a hit. Crush a hard threshold/VO2 ride late in the evening? Recovery goes down. Conversely, if I get no activity at all, my recovery goes down. I’m getting a much better sense of what things impact my ability to train both good and bad.

I can also tell when I’m going to have a killer workout - when my recovery is 90%+ I absolutely slaughter my workouts. Below 60%, it’s a slog. Below 40%, dont even bother. This doesn’t seem to be weird confirmation bias either. I have, on several occasions, just done my workout without reviewing my recovery and then recorded my RPE post workout. Only then do I look at my recovery. 9 times out of 10 my RPE is way lower on days with high recovery.

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The Whoop thread referenced above has a lot of great information.

I’ve been using Whoop this year and have found it very help. It’s not perfect but it really helps me understand fatigue and recovery better and constantly has been thinking about sleep. With my job it is really hard to keep up with sleep during the week, but I’m slowly getting better at it. The bicep strap has also worked really well for me and allows me to leave it on 24/7. While pricey, I view it as a “premium” service and I do believe I have gotten value from it.

In terms of sleep, here is the link to the TED podcast from Matt Walker, the author of Why We Sleep.

Joe Rogan had him on his podcast too. Here is the link:

If you wear the ring during exercise it will register activity. What it doesn’t do is try to figure out what you were doing (sport). Initially I spent time putting workouts in manually so I could recharge it then. But I’ve found putting in manual workouts isn’t worth the effort and doesn’t make much difference vs the automatic activity level detection. The calorie burn estimates are junk for every activity tracker anyway, so no reason to focus on the specific number. Now I wear the ring for workouts, and just put it on the charger omw to the shower.

It seems to key off movement/vibration, so I get a more “intense” reading on outdoor rides than on the trainer, but they still register. It must check HR occasionally and use that as part of the activity intensity detection, you just don’t get a discrete all-day-HR log like you might with some other trackers. I think this is a battery life tradeoff, which is totally worth it given the small formfactor is the man selling point.

What might be cool is if it could link to strava and pull in workouts. I looked into it, but the oura cloud api only seems to allow read-access. You can’t write a workout onto your profile, so that’s the end of that.

Oura can actually import your cycling workouts from Strava if you link strava to the Apple Health app. I’ve done that with mine, and Oura automatically imports the calories burned and workout intensity level (based on HR i’m guessing).

I’ll have to give this a try again, as I don’t recall seeing any meaningful measurement of activity, which for me mainly consists of trainer rides. If it’s not measuring HR during those, then it’s not going to detect much.

I’ve found the same with the Whoop. I have to manually start an activity for indoor rides.

I am a Whoop user and my Whoop has been very good about automatically detecting an elevation in HR and has been automatically logging my TrainerRoad rides.

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Cross race on sunday:


Packing around noon. Preride at 2pm. Races at 3:20 and 4:05. Putting stuff in manually just overwrites those bars with whatever activity level you put in. So I could make the races pure “High” blocks, but it’s close enough as auto-recorded. The calories burned will be garbage, but I don’t use that number for anything in the app, so whatever.

I use android, for better or worse. I probably wouldn’t use apple health, anyway, though. A platform independent link directly to strava would be more accessible, imo. I was going to write something for myself to do it, but the api doesn’t seem to allow writes so Oura has to do this or it can’t happen.

I’ll wear it for a few trainer rides and see what it does. If it only tracks ‘movement’, then it won’t be useful for trainer sessions.

Happy enough with the sleep, heart rate tracking, body battery I get from my Garmin 245 (non-music). I don’t think there’s much extra you get on the higher end watches, if I recall the Rainmaker reviews when it and the 945 launched (that was one of the things a lot of fenix owners gave out about I think).

I plan to upgrade from the Bolt to the 530 to properly track bike work (TR on device, into connect from the 530) and get more out of the metrics.

I’ve had a Whoop for 3 weeks. I used a CorSense prior to that and the numbers didn’t make much sense to me based on training, sleep, meds, stress, etc. I used a VivoSmart for sleep tracking before and it was similar to the Whoop but I couldn’t seem to make much of the data. The Whoop has provided a lot more information in all these aspects. The most important thing has been the sleep tracking so far. I tend to hover around 90% efficiency which was news to me so now I spend more time in bed. Reviewing the sleep and recovery data gives me the notion that someone training hard as well as only sleeping 5-7 hours is severely limiting their potential progress.

Obviously the Whoop needs more data but it’s starting to get a lot better at matching up with how I feel and how my workouts go.

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what other data would you want?